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Triquatra
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 Posted - 2012/10/06 : 18:05:00
interesting one!
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-19842851
"A US court is to consider a case that could determine whether digital media files can be resold.
One-year-old start-up ReDigi is battling music giant EMI over whether digital music can be retraded after it has been legally purchased."
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TheOneNOnly
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Posted - 2012/10/07 : 00:29:07
I saw that as well. But, while rare in most cases, I do agree with the music associations side on this one. There is absolutely no way to actually know the person deleted the original off of their computer.
So it's basically someone selling music for a cheaper price but still making money with none of the money be exchanged given to the artists. As well what is to stop people from pirating the music then selling it on there "second-hand" and making profit off of it. With, again, the artist not making a cent?
As long as a monetary system exists this is a bad idea unless people are willing to sign a contract allowing the company to have full control of their computer when the transaction is made. Then when they sold the music they would delete the song and write over it 24 times so you couldn't get it back. And no one would do that because it's stupid.
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Samination
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Posted - 2012/10/07 : 06:47:11
This probably would work great for online services that still has DRM protected music, but I'm also leening towards not resale-able.
TheOneNOnly: I don't agree about the music being cheaper. The music in sweden is sold around 9-12 SEK (~1 ukpounds), and an digital album from 99 to 149 SEK (around 10-15 uk pounds), which is from 0-40 SEK cheaper than a physical album. And that's just cutting the distrobution costs. The Artists probably gets just the same (depending on what contract they have signed).
Also, there's no license that binds you to KEEP the music you buy. It's up to you if you wish to trade your music or not. People has always traded stuff for other stuff, long before they came up with the idea of money.
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TheOneNOnly
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Posted - 2012/10/08 : 02:07:09
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Originally posted by Samination:
This probably would work great for online services that still has DRM protected music, but I'm also leening towards not resale-able.
TheOneNOnly: I don't agree about the music being cheaper. The music in sweden is sold around 9-12 SEK (~1 ukpounds), and an digital album from 99 to 149 SEK (around 10-15 uk pounds), which is from 0-40 SEK cheaper than a physical album. And that's just cutting the distrobution costs. The Artists probably gets just the same (depending on what contract they have signed).
Also, there's no license that binds you to KEEP the music you buy. It's up to you if you wish to trade your music or not. People has always traded stuff for other stuff, long before they came up with the idea of money.
You completely misunderstood what I said. I said people could make copies of their files, sell it for cheaper through the service, make a profit while the artist gets nothing.
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Samination
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Posted - 2012/10/08 : 07:41:07
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Originally posted by TheOneNOnly:
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Originally posted by Samination:
This probably would work great for online services that still has DRM protected music, but I'm also leening towards not resale-able.
TheOneNOnly: I don't agree about the music being cheaper. The music in sweden is sold around 9-12 SEK (~1 ukpounds), and an digital album from 99 to 149 SEK (around 10-15 uk pounds), which is from 0-40 SEK cheaper than a physical album. And that's just cutting the distrobution costs. The Artists probably gets just the same (depending on what contract they have signed).
Also, there's no license that binds you to KEEP the music you buy. It's up to you if you wish to trade your music or not. People has always traded stuff for other stuff, long before they came up with the idea of money.
You completely misunderstood what I said. I said people could make copies of their files, sell it for cheaper through the service, make a profit while the artist gets nothing.
Sorry, didn't read that properly. But it still doesn't give the industry an excuse to have so high prices on a MP3
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Lilley
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Posted - 2012/10/08 : 09:39:57
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Originally posted by TheOneNOnly:
You completely misunderstood what I said. I said people could make copies of their files, sell it for cheaper through the service, make a profit while the artist gets nothing.
I don't buy it. Yes, there is room to circumvent the laws, but no more so than there is with cd retrading. The problems are not new, they've just changed shape. I don't think EMI has a leg to stand on here.
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Samination
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Posted - 2012/10/08 : 09:48:18
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Originally posted by Lilley:
quote:
Originally posted by TheOneNOnly:
You completely misunderstood what I said. I said people could make copies of their files, sell it for cheaper through the service, make a profit while the artist gets nothing.
I don't buy it. Yes, there is room to circumvent the laws, but no more so than there is with cd retrading. The problems are not new, they've just changed shape. I don't think EMI has a leg to stand on here.
Statisticly, do we know how many would do it?
Personally (even if I am a pirate :P), if I sell it, I wont keep a copy of it. But then so far i've only sold games i've misstakenly bought 2 copies of.
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Posted - 2012/10/08 : 10:29:20
In round numbers?
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TheOneNOnly
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Posted - 2012/10/08 : 15:53:47
quote:
Originally posted by Lilley:
quote:
Originally posted by TheOneNOnly:
You completely misunderstood what I said. I said people could make copies of their files, sell it for cheaper through the service, make a profit while the artist gets nothing.
I don't buy it. Yes, there is room to circumvent the laws, but no more so than there is with cd retrading. The problems are not new, they've just changed shape. I don't think EMI has a leg to stand on here.
I partially agree but it is much easier to illegally download a file and sell it through the system and make a profit off it. The way the court will probably look at it is compared to physical sales you are giving the original CD away for an amount. You cannot give an original MP3 download for sale. When you put it on the system it's going to make a copy of the file from your computer.
So in legal terms it isn't the same because there is no way to get rid of the original copy when you sell it besides the program deleting it from your computer. And no one will give a program the capability to access their computer and do with the files what it pleases.
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Posted - 2012/10/08 : 16:47:02
and you can easily restore the file anyways, even when using "wipe away" software.
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Vitalism
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Posted - 2012/10/08 : 17:44:46
What about buying used CDs? How can anyone be sure the original purchaser didn't burn himself a copy before selling, and does the original artist see any of the proceeds once the used copy is resold?
Definitely a strange age we live in where virtual products are bought and sold.
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Samination
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Posted - 2012/10/08 : 18:20:06
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Originally posted by Vitalism:
What about buying used CDs? How can anyone be sure the original purchaser didn't burn himself a copy before selling, and does the original artist see any of the proceeds once the used copy is resold?
Definitely a strange age we live in where virtual products are bought and sold.
Well it didnt stop Mortis from ripping his vinyl and then selling them. Well it was good he did it as one of the vinyls broke on the way to me :P
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