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djDMS
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 Posted - 2012/02/21 : 21:14:34
To balance against the 'cheating' aspect of using VDJ, i don't use headphones, just my eyes and ears. Half decent knowledge of the tunes and you're away.
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Dys7
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Posted - 2012/02/21 : 22:02:22
I really disagree that people say vdj makes mixing easy.
It doesn't make it easy, it just takes away the menial aspects of it. With a sync button, I can do so much more with my mixes, experiment, break the mold of normal mixing style. My Christmas mix wad a great example of that, I don't think I had one "normal" transition.
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Triquatra
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Posted - 2012/02/21 : 22:12:40
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Originally posted by Dys7:
I really disagree that people say vdj makes mixing easy.
It doesn't make it easy, it just takes away the menial aspects of it. With a sync button, I can do so much more with my mixes, experiment, break the mold of normal mixing style. My Christmas mix wad a great example of that, I don't think I had one "normal" transition.
experiment how though? all i see are a couple of effects you can throw over the top...
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Dys7
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Posted - 2012/02/21 : 22:26:42
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Originally posted by Triquatra:
quote:
Originally posted by Dys7:
I really disagree that people say vdj makes mixing easy.
It doesn't make it easy, it just takes away the menial aspects of it. With a sync button, I can do so much more with my mixes, experiment, break the mold of normal mixing style. My Christmas mix wad a great example of that, I don't think I had one "normal" transition.
experiment how though? all i see are a couple of effects you can throw over the top...
Hold on, I'm on my phone right now. Let me make a quick demo mix once I get home
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Dys7
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Posted - 2012/02/21 : 22:45:19
http://ge.tt/88f6TwD?c
Here's something quick and crappy I just made, with no previous planning - now imagine planning this stuff out, over an hour long mix. I dunno about you, but I think that would sound pretty damn cool.
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Posted - 2012/02/21 : 23:13:00
There's no doubt that a pair of decent CDJ's and a mixer beat a controller. But they have a sync button... It's all down to preference really... at the end of the day if you're on a stage, the crowd aren't gonna be seeing what you're doing behind the desk, so wtf does it matter? As long as it sounds good :P
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Waglas
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Posted - 2012/02/21 : 23:20:43
I prefer NI Traktor, works better for me, maybe a matter of taste. I would really suggest some hardware. Even with a cheap set you can do so much more than without. Can you even use 2 EQ knobs at the same time without hardware?
I agree with Dys7, you can do so much more with the computer. I'm not sure what to do with it yet but it opens doors for a lot of new mixing techniques.
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DJ Lawlzy
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Posted - 2012/02/22 : 00:36:03
I only really DJ to dick around, for fun, so I don't know anything special other than the basic controls of VDJ and that works fine. Mixing without headphones is easy as you can just watch the waveforms.
Also this is embarrassing but I've never known you could just press sync and the waveforms match up, always been nudging one left or right manually. Now it kinda feels like cheating pressing that... :x
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Dys7
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Posted - 2012/02/22 : 01:26:09
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Originally posted by DJ Lawlzy:
I only really DJ to dick around, for fun, so I don't know anything special other than the basic controls of VDJ and that works fine. Mixing without headphones is easy as you can just watch the waveforms.
Also this is embarrassing but I've never known you could just press sync and the waveforms match up, always been nudging one left or right manually. Now it kinda feels like cheating pressing that... :x
They're supposed to in theory but really it only gets on the right beat about 25% of the time. Beatmatching in the sense of being in time is still important.
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Triquatra
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Posted - 2012/02/22 : 07:38:11
indeed, mixing without headphones is easy - my point was actually that it more defeats the whole point of giving a 100% smooth transition as you are bringing the song in...
however i guess that is where one switches from using ones ears to just using ones eyes instead by looking at the waveform
will give the mix a listen to in a while, got the wife and children sleeping close by at the moment ;)
the sync button seems to work 95% of the time here, granted you're still going to have to drop the song at the right point, but actually getting bpm it seems to be pretty much spot on
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Posted - 2012/02/22 : 10:34:15
had a listen to the mix now - have to be brutally honest, the only song I knew is the final remix by darwin, so i've no point of reference as to which song was which in the first few hehe, though I could kind of hear the separate tracks (difficult to pull apart the electro stuff as the songs are such a mixed bag of effects and sounds in the first place!
I guess I'm still a little lost as to what "extra" you can really do as it just sounds as though the beatgrid thing has been hit a few times whilst a few other song have been dropped.
i'm totally not against Vdjing in the slightest, as i've said earlier, I still consider it real DJing, just in a different form.
having used it I just seem to be having a problem with the arguments that it doesnt make it easier
i load up two songs...i hit sync, i drop the track i fade from one to the next
I'm not being rude but I'm fairly sure my oldest son (just over 3 years old) can handle that (as he's getting pretty handy with photoshop!). whereas if I put him in front of my turn tables having to teach him to listen by ear getting songs in time with just the pitch control and no waveform to look at would take a good while!
he wouldn't however be able to drop the track at the right point and might struggle with nudging the track into time.
what I'm saying is in essence I don't think the "it doesn't make Djing any easier" argument doesnt really hold water. perhaps it would be more accurate to say "it doesn't make the art of DJing any easier"
VDJ as far as i've played with it for the last few days makes everything a complete breeze.
anybody walking into it could learn it in less than an hour.
but that ties in perfectly with what you're saying - it leaves you free to do other stuff (though i have to disagree that beatmatching is menial, with vinyl its actually part of the fun, either that is just a personal thing and nobody else enjoys it like I do or its an argument thats been brought about by people who havent had the chance to use physical).
This other stuff though just seems to consist of hitting the beatgrid button and throwing the faders left and right, beatgrid being automated anyway and faders just requiring an amount of timing.
It seems to be all the rage to hate on VDJs and I'm really not against it at all, or against VDJs, and I don't want to sound like i'm hating on it, which i'm not..I'm just pointing out what i've noticed using it the past few days whilst my decks are on hiatus.
annnnyway, what I was getting at RE the original post is..Lilark is asking for special techniques on VDJ and I don't see much past hitting the effects button and throwing a few faders about
much of the special techniques would be down to working out what might be an interesting combination of song/mashup/theme for a mix.
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wong
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Posted - 2012/02/22 : 10:38:02
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Originally posted by DJ Lawlzy:
. Mixing without headphones is easy as you can just watch the waveforms
yeah thats how i do it. and i dont like to use sync all the time i prefer to just nudge the beats together like u did lol
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Posted - 2012/02/22 : 10:52:50
Get some decks and some tunes and profit.
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Lilark
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Posted - 2012/02/22 : 23:19:16
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Originally posted by Triquatra:
had a listen to the mix now - have to be brutally honest, the only song I knew is the final remix by darwin, so i've no point of reference as to which song was which in the first few hehe, though I could kind of hear the separate tracks (difficult to pull apart the electro stuff as the songs are such a mixed bag of effects and sounds in the first place!
I guess I'm still a little lost as to what "extra" you can really do as it just sounds as though the beatgrid thing has been hit a few times whilst a few other song have been dropped.
i'm totally not against Vdjing in the slightest, as i've said earlier, I still consider it real DJing, just in a different form.
having used it I just seem to be having a problem with the arguments that it doesnt make it easier
i load up two songs...i hit sync, i drop the track i fade from one to the next
I'm not being rude but I'm fairly sure my oldest son (just over 3 years old) can handle that (as he's getting pretty handy with photoshop!). whereas if I put him in front of my turn tables having to teach him to listen by ear getting songs in time with just the pitch control and no waveform to look at would take a good while!
he wouldn't however be able to drop the track at the right point and might struggle with nudging the track into time.
what I'm saying is in essence I don't think the "it doesn't make Djing any easier" argument doesnt really hold water. perhaps it would be more accurate to say "it doesn't make the art of DJing any easier"
VDJ as far as i've played with it for the last few days makes everything a complete breeze.
anybody walking into it could learn it in less than an hour.
but that ties in perfectly with what you're saying - it leaves you free to do other stuff (though i have to disagree that beatmatching is menial, with vinyl its actually part of the fun, either that is just a personal thing and nobody else enjoys it like I do or its an argument thats been brought about by people who havent had the chance to use physical).
This other stuff though just seems to consist of hitting the beatgrid button and throwing the faders left and right, beatgrid being automated anyway and faders just requiring an amount of timing.
It seems to be all the rage to hate on VDJs and I'm really not against it at all, or against VDJs, and I don't want to sound like i'm hating on it, which i'm not..I'm just pointing out what i've noticed using it the past few days whilst my decks are on hiatus.
annnnyway, what I was getting at RE the original post is..Lilark is asking for special techniques on VDJ and I don't see much past hitting the effects button and throwing a few faders about
much of the special techniques would be down to working out what might be an interesting combination of song/mashup/theme for a mix.
Not VDJ specifically. Mixing in general, depending on whatever programs everyone else uses. Then again a lot of you use hardware, and I don't have any.
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Posted - 2012/02/22 : 23:43:54
To Jay and anyone else willing to take a listen and help, here is the mix:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U5KDJjnsmSg&feature=channel_video_title
Hardcore SUCKAGE. I need some serious practice...
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