Apparently the world is going to end tomorrow

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Originally posted by Lilley:

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Originally posted by Andy_Influx:
mathfail. How did i come from a family of accountants LOL

But still, that's assuming the bible is correct in the first place. The translation was an extra tangent i went off on, but it's still a large collective of conflicting opinions more than 2000 years old.

And to be honest, that long ago, how could you be sure that any of them were really in their right mind? I'm not saying they werent but im saying how do you know?

That's the thing about it, there's so many variables and 'plot holes' (for lack of a better word) in the whole history of the entire idea.

And let's be honest here, how do you personally know that those letters that comprise the new testament are well-translated? Have you seen the originals? If you've seen copies (i doubt) how do you know they werent altered?

I'm sorry but there's no proof of jesus or anything he did. There's here-say.

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Forgive me for being direct. How much clue do you actually have about the bible? Because from all the above, I'd give it roughly absolutely no clue at all.

No I haven't seen the originals. I know people who have seen direct copies of the originals, I know people who can read the original script fluently.

As for your question's I could answer them one by one, but they are quite possibly the most gone over questions in the entire christendom and have been more than satisfactorily answered.

If you've seen copies (i doubt) how do you know they werent altered?
Decent question. In fact, some have. Mark 16:9-20 is a great example. IMO that should not be part of the bible and should never have been. There is another example in John, I can't recall the reference. How do we know this? It was originally included because the main copies of Mark's gospel had them at the time, but as archeologists discovered earlier copies, they were found to be missing. That is, at some point, someone came along and tagged it on the end and it survived where the original didnt. That is now compensated for.

The earliest excerpt of the new testament we have is a small portion of a book of john dated at about 40 years after John's gospel was thought to be written. There are other first century examples. I forget the figure, but all up there are about ten thousand distributed copies of the new testament from the first few centuries throughout all the bits and pieces picked up from the ground. If my memory serves me correctly, the most accurate after the NT is Homer's Iliad (or perhaps the other one) of which the earliest example we have is from 800 years after it was written, yet it is considered accurate to the original. Simply put, there is absolutely no doubt the bible has not differed from what it was 2000 years ago.


I'm sorry but there's no proof of jesus or anything he did. There's here-say.
By that logic, there is no proof Galileo ever lived, nor Issac Newton, or Da Vinci.

No, you are quite wrong. There is more proof of Jesus and what he did than any other historical figure (pre 18-19th century or so). The historicity of Jesus is the most over analysed aspect of the bible, bar none, and has held up every single time and will continue to do so in future.

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Originally posted by Andy_Influx:
By the way i have really no interest in having a religious debate. They never go well. Unless some amazing new piece of proof comes forward that is substantial proof that everything in bible happened, i'm going to remain agnostic. You're obviously convinced it happened so you're going to remain christian. Is there really a point debating this?

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Originally posted by JayHH86:
Lilley, your knowledge on this is pretty impressive. How do you know all this shit?

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Originally posted by Hard2Get:
I don't think anyone doubts that Jesus existed, they just doubt what the bible says about him lol.

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Originally posted by NekoShuffle:

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Originally posted by Hard2Get:
I don't think anyone doubts that Jesus existed, they just doubt what the bible says about him lol.

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Yeah that's what I was thinking

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Originally posted by Triquatra:
these end of the world things...(so many of them) I wonder how many take into account timezones

I mean it becomes "tomorrow" in alot of other places other than where the prediciton was made

in this case the predictor is in the USA...does this mean the world will end in australia and slowly making its way around? unless it happens "in the blink of an eye" lke the bible says, which would mean that it would happen in australia first, but then it would still be the day before in the USA, which would mean the prediciton is wrong...

all very confusing.

either way, hopefully once it is 2013 people will have FINALLY wised up.

till then, anybody who truely believes its going to happen - Message me for my paypal: please feel free to give me all your money since you wont be needing it (logical right?)

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