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Brady
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 Posted - 2005/05/05 : 08:16:45
The thing is is it isn't just America, open your eyes guys
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Posted - 2005/05/05 : 08:21:21
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it should be an eye for an eye in my opinion as it still is in some third world countrys.
everyone would be blind with that mind-set
murder, I would say yes to...but not robbery
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Posted - 2005/05/05 : 08:50:43
Eye for an eye was an expression, try not to read into things too much, you'r e smarter than that and know exactly what I mean..it was just an example. And I do believe he said armed robbery?
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Posted - 2005/05/05 : 09:07:49
yeah but still, would you risk your life for a job at a pub?
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Posted - 2005/05/05 : 10:45:49
Over here you're not allowed to carry a gun at cities or towns or almost anywhere (even if you have a permit for it), well okay, we are allowed to use 'em for hunting (at hunting seasons). Or do I have it completly wrong now?
The only weapons I've heard of people are using are lead pipes (foreigners), baseball bats (almost all) or knives (the new-nazis or "true-finnish"), but no guns.
That cutting of a hand is too much, what if the stealer has a family with six children and needs the food desperatly?
and when he doesn't have his hand, how is he supposed to take care of his family one-handed?
Oh and "self defence"...
people can missuse the word "self-defence"
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Posted - 2005/05/05 : 10:49:26
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Yeah, you obviously try and keep them to a minimum by having armed people rob a bar lol c'mon, it happens EVERYWHERE, it should be an eye for an eye in my opinion as it still is in some third world countrys.
With that do you mean the death squads that shoot homeless kids that have to steal food to stay alive? Or do you mean the countrys, where people wouldnt even have money to buy a gun, nor have a need for it? The third world countrys that have a problem with guns, got the guns from western countrys, witch is really sad.
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Look at it like this, a man steals and is caught, he has his hand cut off. Now I'll bet my hand on it that man never steals again and everyone who witnesses him having his hand cut off for the reason of stealing will never steal.
Its rather weird that you take Somalia as an example, a country that among America is the only country that can give death penaltys to minors. A country that does not have a real government, nor policeforce to protect the people.
Violence causes violence, in US the states that have death penalty, have higher murder rates then the ones that dont, strange?
I see it like this, You get robbed by an armed robber and you have a gun, you try to shoot the robber (eventhough at this point you have no idea, if the robber even intended to use it). But if you hit, hes dead. If you dont, your dead (as the robber would now be forced to use it, as he/she has to protect himself, sound familiar?). But whatever it is, someones dead. Now normally, the police would try to catch the robber, and in many cases, the robber is caught, and everyones alive.
If you think that you can use a gun responsibly (and hey maby you can), but can you honestly say the same for the rest of the people? Now i know many of the people that buy guns there, are regular non violent people. Them having a gun shouldnt really be a problem. But when a tough situation comes, their afraid. If you have ever been really afraid, you know, that all your responsibilty is gone, you have much less control of yourself, as youre desperetly trying to get out of the situation by any means. Would you really trust a person in that state of mind to give death penaltys to other people?
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That's just my opinion...every country tries to keep firearms to a minimum but you can aquire them anywhere legally or illegally for any purpose in this mans case for self defense.
In Finland there are actually more guns per person then in US (we're a hunting country). Though its not easy to get a gun. The reason why guns are a problem there, but not in here, is the American mentality, like SixFeet said. With American mentality i mean, e.g. here people buy guns for hunting, but at home they have to have trigger locks, or be in other locked places. Nobody would here even consider to buy a gun to protect themselves. In US, many buy guns just to "protect" themselves. We relie to the police to do that. As in many there believe everyone should be able to protect themselves.
Now its morning here and i got to go get more coffee :)
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Posted - 2005/05/05 : 11:48:34
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Violence causes violence, in US the states that have death penalty, have higher murder rates then the ones that dont, strange?
No, mans in built selfish desires and animal instincts cause violence.
The Yanks, dont seem to have any clues on educating the masses on violence/gun control/just about anything.
Too much massive media marketing for them. I cant help but recalling an email that maddox once got.
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 Posted - 2005/05/05 : 13:04:40
u know wat? stfu and shoot the shit out of every1 blow the fook out of everything and watch the blood and gore! lol..jokes
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Posted - 2005/05/05 : 16:59:25
well seeing as you asked i was gonna put a full response in but their is no point, as you can see, everyone else feels the same way as me, pouring gasoline on a fire will not put it out however much you try, american gun laws are just stupid
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Posted - 2005/05/05 : 19:33:20
ive got a loaded gun in my pants wanna see ?
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Brady
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Posted - 2005/05/05 : 20:55:18
Sixfeet I will now disregard your comments being you cannot back them up with rational explanations. As for Whispering, I don't know how to quote so don't flame for the copy and paste but I appreciate your conversation.
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Originally posted by Brady:
Yeah, you obviously try and keep them to a minimum by having armed people rob a bar lol c'mon, it happens EVERYWHERE, it should be an eye for an eye in my opinion as it still is in some third world countrys.
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With that do you mean the death squads that shoot homeless kids that have to steal food to stay alive? Or do you mean the countrys, where people wouldnt even have money to buy a gun, nor have a need for it? The third world countrys that have a problem with guns, got the guns from western countrys, witch is really sad.
Answer: I was being sarcastic by them saying they try and keep guns to a minumium in their country yet they have armed men rob their bar.
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Originally posted by Brady:
Look at it like this, a man steals and is caught, he has his hand cut off. Now I'll bet my hand on it that man never steals again and everyone who witnesses him having his hand cut off for the reason of stealing will never steal.
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Its rather weird that you take Somalia as an example, a country that among America is the only country that can give death penaltys to minors. A country that does not have a real government, nor policeforce to protect the people.
Violence causes violence, in US the states that have death penalty, have higher murder rates then the ones that dont, strange?
I see it like this, You get robbed by an armed robber and you have a gun, you try to shoot the robber (eventhough at this point you have no idea, if the robber even intended to use it). But if you hit, hes dead. If you dont, your dead (as the robber would now be forced to use it, as he/she has to protect himself, sound familiar?). But whatever it is, someones dead. Now normally, the police would try to catch the robber, and in many cases, the robber is caught, and everyones alive.
If you think that you can use a gun responsibly (and hey maby you can), but can you honestly say the same for the rest of the people? Now i know many of the people that buy guns there, are regular non violent people. Them having a gun shouldnt really be a problem. But when a tough situation comes, their afraid. If you have ever been really afraid, you know, that all your responsibilty is gone, you have much less control of yourself, as youre desperetly trying to get out of the situation by any means. Would you really trust a person in that state of mind to give death penaltys to other people?
Response: You never really know anyones intentions but you can have a pretty good idea of what they are in certain situations such as jesters. I say in that situation take no chances as you are dealing with your life, kill or be killed. Now who are these people you put trust in to give the death penalties, please elaborate because that statement is throwing me off.
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Originally posted by Brady:
That's just my opinion...every country tries to keep firearms to a minimum but you can aquire them anywhere legally or illegally for any purpose in this mans case for self defense.
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In Finland there are actually more guns per person then in US (we're a hunting country). Though its not easy to get a gun. The reason why guns are a problem there, but not in here, is the American mentality, like SixFeet said. With American mentality i mean, e.g. here people buy guns for hunting, but at home they have to have trigger locks, or be in other locked places. Nobody would here even consider to buy a gun to protect themselves. In US, many buy guns just to "protect" themselves. We relie to the police to do that. As in many there believe everyone should be able to protect themselves.
Response: Our police are corrupt, not all but It's all a trust thing, when it comes down to it who can YOU really trust with your life? Do you ever really know someone? No, you will never really know another human being and therefore you can only trust yourself.
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Posted - 2005/05/06 : 01:45:13
ok brady if you want a response i will give you one although it will be much shorter than i could have made it seeing as i would be just repeating whispering
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The thing is is it isn't just America, open your eyes guys
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Originally posted by Brady:
every country tries to keep firearms to a minimum but you can aquire them anywhere legally or illegally for any purpose in this mans case for self defense.
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Originally posted by Brady:
Answer: I was being sarcastic by them saying they try and keep guns to a minumium in their country yet they have armed men rob their bar.
of course it isn't, gun crimes occur on every country on the globe but the difference it is more concentrated in america, you know why? because of the leniant and moronic gun laws. i am now 17 and have never once seen a gun of any kind once or ever heard one go off. only peple i know with a gun is farmers. my dad is 47 and i asked him, in his life he has seen a gun even though he is a prison officer
now you open your eyes and see, gun crimes are about 1000% higher in america than in any european country ad how can you say america tries to keep guns to a limit when they sell them in supermarkets, yeah real minimal sales there!
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Response: You never really know anyones intentions but you can have a pretty good idea of what they are in certain situations such as jesters. I say in that situation take no chances as you are dealing with your life, kill or be killed. Now who are these people you put trust in to give the death penalties, please elaborate because that statement is throwing me off.
how can you label the situation a kill or be killed situation yet no-one was killed and not a single bullet shot? it just goes to prove although people might carry guns they have no intentions of using them, it is just for power and intimidation. now if someone else pulled a gun out on the robbers then they feel cornered and their power over the situation has diminshed, most likely a gun fight would ensue if the person didn't just pull out the gun and shoot them without hesitation. i hear of armed robberies or something quite often on the national news but the fact is there is rarely ever a death in them because the lack of guns and irrational thinking of using one to solve problems. their was a well documented case over here a few years ago where a farmer shot a burglar and got jailed for murder, you know the only people protesting what he did was right? other farmers and they are the only people really with guns in england (except large cities) what does that show you?
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Response: Our police are corrupt, not all but It's all a trust thing, when it comes down to it who can YOU really trust with your life? Do you ever really know someone? No, you will never really know another human being and therefore you can only trust yourself.
you must be gullable to believe that, of course there are always corrupt people, everywhere you go they're there but no more so in the police force. the way you phrase that implies that the vast majority are corrupt, how do you know this, know any corrupt cops? stop believing films and tv shows are reality!! not everyone is out to get you or kill you
dude you have gotta stop taking everything you read, hear, see to heart especially on american media. you know if a there is a choice between two stories, one of a crooked cop getting put away and a cop who got a huge award, they will always take the former, why because it generates ratings, it isn't really news anymore anywhere. stop being manipulated by the media, getting scared thateveryone is out to put a bullet in you
hell who am i joking, that is huge, withdraw my original statement
p.s: good call on comparing to a third world country favourably to america
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Posted - 2005/05/06 : 04:29:30
"i am now 17 and have never once seen a gun of any kind once or ever heard one go off. only peple i know with a gun is farmers. "
You're a country boy, don't take that the wrong way or offensive but the city is totally different I'm 19 and you don't want to know what I've seen or possess. It's better for you to see things on the media, it's safer. I don't watch the news...I live it. We sell hunting rifles in markets, yes, but trust me that's all they sell. If you want something for yourself and you know what I mean you goto a gunshop, plain and simple just like anywhere else. The reason I said some of our police are corrupt is because you it was said that you depend on the police to protect you. I don't understand how you can put your life in someone elses hands. Read my words thoroughly before replying before making statements on being gullable about the police being corrupt everywhere, for it was an example to back up my statement. Let's not turn this into politics or have a go at eachother but more of a debate...I think if you came to where I am, Richmond, Virginia and walked these streets you'd share my views, but words can not express the things I've seen and done and therefore we can end this debate now or shall we continue? =]
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Posted - 2005/05/06 : 05:05:03
i saw a man get shot off of a building while he was trying to get into his own appartment by the manager because he was trying to "break in". The problem is, is that there are alot of people out there that have no real world exposure, therefore not everyone can make statements that meet other peoples "truth". I've seen people do some ill shit, and myself have done some things that I am not proud of. But my experience does not lend myself the ability to tone down other peoples ideas as being debate fodder. I'm almost 30 years old and thats along time to see shit go down. You guys shouldnt look back on the gay things that you've seen or not seen in your youth. Move on from those things or you too may become a dead person. You may come back from a bad trip, buy you will never come back from being dead.
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Posted - 2005/05/06 : 05:07:20
One of the reasons we've recently moved was because of guns. Almost every night there would be drive by's, and I would be able to hear the gun shots. They would wake me up while I slept. It was just a bad neighborhood
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