Alert moderatorEdited by - Si Thompson on 2020/08/01 14:47:38
Smoogie Advanced Member
United Kingdom
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Posted - 2020/08/02 : 11:04:27
quote:Originally posted by Si Thompson:
This is a good video and the lad is spot on.
I've been watching quite a bit of Haryan Glaeddyv, he's a decent commentator.
Some interesting points. I did not know there was a LGBT wing of the Tories. They don't bother me but I do not take the knee for them.
Funny as Emily Hewerston did put and article up about 'The Tories are not really Conservative' a while ago and I wonder if that was a response to this video.
Personally I don't get what the deal with this is. People looking for a more right wing alternative?
The only more right wing party is UKIP and they seem to be full of BNP types so no one is interested in them and if you think that the Brexit Party under Farage is a better alternative then you might be disappointed. A lot of their support and funding seems to come from the left wing side of the leave vote which contrary to popular belief was actually a large part of the leave campaign. Not every leave voter was a right winger. I sense a Brexit Party or Reform Party in power would be a Blairite Party only one that supports Brexit.
Si Thompson Advanced Member
United Kingdom
3,420 posts Joined: Mar, 2016
Posted - 2020/08/02 : 11:53:02
quote:Originally posted by Smoogie:
quote:Originally posted by Si Thompson:
This is a good video and the lad is spot on.
I've been watching quite a bit of Haryan Glaeddyv, he's a decent commentator.
Some interesting points. I did not know there was a LGBT wing of the Tories. They don't bother me but I do not take the knee for them.
Funny as Emily Hewerston did put and article up about 'The Tories are not really Conservative' a while ago and I wonder if that was a response to this video.
Personally I don't get what the deal with this is. People looking for a more right wing alternative?
The only more right wing party is UKIP and they seem to be full of BNP types so no one is interested in them and if you think that the Brexit Party under Farage is a better alternative then you might be disappointed. A lot of their support and funding seems to come from the left wing side of the leave vote which contrary to popular belief was actually a large part of the leave campaign. Not every leave voter was a right winger. I sense a Brexit Party or Reform Party in power would be a Blairite Party only one that supports Brexit.
Simple. A party that is centre or right of centre.
Smoogie Advanced Member
United Kingdom
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Posted - 2020/08/02 : 15:29:15
quote:Originally posted by Si Thompson:
Simple. A party that is centre or right of centre.
The Tories are right of centre. They picked up a lot from the centre ground as there was no centre ground party representing Brexit considering all the centre and left parties where trying their hardest to stop Brexit.
Si Thompson Advanced Member
United Kingdom
3,420 posts Joined: Mar, 2016
Posted - 2020/08/02 : 16:36:04
quote:Originally posted by Smoogie:
quote:Originally posted by Si Thompson:
Simple. A party that is centre or right of centre.
The Tories are right of centre. They picked up a lot from the centre ground as there was no centre ground party representing Brexit considering all the centre and left parties where trying their hardest to stop Brexit.
The Tories are NOT right of centre as a party now. They are only right of centre if you're a communist.
As for voters, the Overton window has shifted for all of us. Anyone now right of Karl Marx is considered far right.
As far as the Tories go..
Uncontrolled immigration (Illegals coming in daily by the boat load)
Diversity quotas
Mandatory Diversity training (Home Office & Police)
Hate speech investigations
That isn't a right of centre government. A Conservative government is supposed to conserve traditions & protect heritage amongst other things. They have a 80 seat majority and they aren't doing any of that for me.
LeVzi Advanced Member
United Kingdom
944 posts Joined: Feb, 2019
Posted - 2020/08/04 : 07:57:50
In all honesty, the whole political system in the UK is ****ed up, but then I blame 100% the PC brigade. You can't make a decision anymore without committees blocking you, or you hitting a mile of red tape.
You can't govern that way. You can't make decisions for a country with a noose around your neck. And Brexit proved this is the case more than anything before. The country was crippled and the whole process stopped due to the MP's being able to pass motion after motion blocking Brexit. It was only until Boris said i'll get it done, did it get done.
That's not politics, that's not democracy, that's a corrupt institution showing it's true colours.
There is no party i'll be voting for on a national level, but in Wales, I support the abolishing of the Welsh Government, and UKIP / Abolish the Welsh assembly are the only parties really supporting that.
Si Thompson Advanced Member
United Kingdom
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Posted - 2020/08/04 : 08:26:25
quote:Originally posted by LeVzi:
In all honesty, the whole political system in the UK is ****ed up, but then I blame 100% the PC brigade. You can't make a decision anymore without committees blocking you, or you hitting a mile of red tape.
You can't govern that way. You can't make decisions for a country with a noose around your neck. And Brexit proved this is the case more than anything before. The country was crippled and the whole process stopped due to the MP's being able to pass motion after motion blocking Brexit. It was only until Boris said i'll get it done, did it get done.
That's not politics, that's not democracy, that's a corrupt institution showing it's true colours.
There is no party i'll be voting for on a national level, but in Wales, I support the abolishing of the Welsh Government, and UKIP / Abolish the Welsh assembly are the only parties really supporting that.
Yeah. That was an absolute joke, and Boris did have his hands tied during that period up until December last year. I want to see some real change going forward now, and strong leadership from the Tories with their 80 seat majority. Otherwise, I'm going to have no party to vote for either come the next election.
LeVzi Advanced Member
United Kingdom
944 posts Joined: Feb, 2019
Posted - 2020/08/05 : 06:46:27
quote:Originally posted by Anon.:
What are you guys views on the NHS being on the table for trade talks with USA ?
Do you agree with that, if it is true.
It isn't on the table, it never was and never will be. Boris has said it, and I doubt he'd come out and say that if there was any intention of selling it.
And the money they are ploughing into it, isn't the actions of a party going to sell it.
This whole thing, as was said, was a lie made up by the left wing because of Trumps election.
I am with Si on this, I am sick and tired of hearing about the NHS being up for sale.
The NHS needs a lot , a LOT of help new hospitals more capacity, better standard of doctors and nurses, we need more training for people from here to become Doctors and nurses etc, we need to stop allowing people to abuse the system and more importantly abuse the staff. Now Brexit is done, the immigration won't stop for staff for the NHS, and that's good, but they need to stop the agency staffing for nurses, as it's costing too much, they need to revamp the contracts etc. I hope they can improve it and make it better, because especially here in Gwent, it's failing so badly, the standard of doctors and nurses in the Gwent Hospital is awful, and they are literally being attacked daily by the drunks n smackheads in the hospitals.
Samination Advanced Member
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Posted - 2020/08/05 : 07:25:30
quote:Originally posted by LeVzi:
It isn't on the table, it never was and never will be. Boris has said it, and I doubt he'd come out and say that if there was any intention of selling it.
And you trust a person who's a well known liar and makes up stories as he goes? You're a true pickaninny
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