Jacco Average Member
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Posted - 2020/07/26 : 14:15:51
"The Johnson is strong.
The Johnson is stable."
LOL!
COVID numbers are higher than in any other European country
Pound has been weak since 2016 and there is no improvement in sight
Cutting down on immigration doesn't make sense in a world where it is required for economic growth. Even more so to rebuild the economy after COVID (Boris asking for it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-BMZL9ySqLk)
NHS is on the brink of a collapse
Scotland never favoured independence more than now
The real impact of Brexit is to be seen AFTER the transition period. Years after.
Si Thompson Advanced Member
United Kingdom
3,413 posts Joined: Mar, 2016
Posted - 2020/07/26 : 21:33:32
quote:Originally posted by Impulse_Response:
quote:Originally posted by Si Thompson:
quote:Originally posted by Impulse_Response:
The world needs more Milton Friedman and less Bernie Sanders. That would help the economy everywhere.
Milton Friedman was great. Thomas Sowell too. I could listen to those guys talk all day. Fantastic minds.
I'm happy to find someone else who knows about Thomas Sowell. I've been listening to these two for months, and I just bought Thomas Sowell's new book.
Same here. I've been watching their videos on YouTube. You can't go wrong with Thomas Sowell. He was debunking narratives in the early 80s that are still being pushed by idiots today. His book is getting excellent reviews.
LeVzi Advanced Member
United Kingdom
944 posts Joined: Feb, 2019
Posted - 2020/07/27 : 07:51:47
quote:Originally posted by Jacco:
"The Johnson is strong.
The Johnson is stable."
LOL!
COVID numbers are higher than in any other European country
Pound has been weak since 2016 and there is no improvement in sight
Cutting down on immigration doesn't make sense in a world where it is required for economic growth. Even more so to rebuild the economy after COVID (Boris asking for it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-BMZL9ySqLk)
NHS is on the brink of a collapse
Scotland never favoured independence more than now
The real impact of Brexit is to be seen AFTER the transition period. Years after.
Smoogie Advanced Member
United Kingdom
6,502 posts Joined: Mar, 2006
Posted - 2020/07/27 : 14:14:46
quote:Originally posted by LeVzi:
quote:Originally posted by Jacco:
"The Johnson is strong.
The Johnson is stable."
LOL!
COVID numbers are higher than in any other European country
Pound has been weak since 2016 and there is no improvement in sight
Cutting down on immigration doesn't make sense in a world where it is required for economic growth. Even more so to rebuild the economy after COVID (Boris asking for it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-BMZL9ySqLk)
NHS is on the brink of a collapse
Scotland never favoured independence more than now
The real impact of Brexit is to be seen AFTER the transition period. Years after.
Wake up and stick to the facts mate. Boris is failing your country.
Straight out of the guardian lol what a load of rubbish
The Guardian is the Garbage. I read one of their articles the other day. Lots of rubbish about 'and Tory minister has said this' and 'A Tory back bencher said that' Not one name was mentioned as it was all lies to try and make out that the Tories are at war with each other to deflect away from Labour's inevitable split and yet the BBC run the exact same stories the Guardian day in and day out.
The drunken scotsman Advanced Member
United Kingdom
1,486 posts Joined: Dec, 2011
Posted - 2020/07/28 : 07:21:33
quote:Originally posted by Jacco:
quote:Originally posted by LeVzi:
Straight out of the guardian lol what a load of rubbish
Strong arguments. I'm impressed!
Covid numbers is a daft argument as Ive pointed out on here before. Its an unprecedented pandemic and if theres any blame it should lie squarely at chinas door. Were mistakes made? Of course they were but thats always going to be the case. In my opinion, lockdown is not a viable option longer term and many deaths have been and will continue to be caused by lockdown measures, which dont get reported. We arent out of this yet but people with an agenda will use anything to have a go at government.
The NHS has been on the brink of collapse for decades. As someone who makes a living from selling to the NHS, I know a bit about it. It is down to mismanagement over a number of governments who continually underfund it. The problem is that people need to pay more tax to properly fund the NHS and there is no government who will come out and say that as people wont vote for higher taxes. In the UK, people have the perception that healthcare is free which is the root of the problem.
As for Scotland wanting independence, that has been bubbling for many years too. Wouldnt put it down to the current government. Brexit and most recently the blame game for our death toll with coronavirus has probably tipped the polls in favour of independence but its been coming for years anyway. The older population is dying out and being replaced with younger voters who are largely in favour of independence.
And by the way Im no fan of Boris Johnson but I look at the other options available and it is grim.
Alert moderatorEdited by - The drunken scotsman on 2020/07/28 07:22:52
LeVzi Advanced Member
United Kingdom
944 posts Joined: Feb, 2019
Posted - 2020/07/28 : 07:45:23
quote:Originally posted by The drunken scotsman:
quote:Originally posted by Jacco:
quote:Originally posted by LeVzi:
Straight out of the guardian lol what a load of rubbish
Strong arguments. I'm impressed!
Covid numbers is a daft argument as Ive pointed out on here before. Its an unprecedented pandemic and if theres any blame it should lie squarely at chinas door. Were mistakes made? Of course they were but thats always going to be the case. In my opinion, lockdown is not a viable option longer term and many deaths have been and will continue to be caused by lockdown measures, which dont get reported. We arent out of this yet but people with an agenda will use anything to have a go at government.
The NHS has been on the brink of collapse for decades. As someone who makes a living from selling to the NHS, I know a bit about it. It is down to mismanagement over a number of governments who continually underfund it. The problem is that people need to pay more tax to properly fund the NHS and there is no government who will come out and say that as people wont vote for higher taxes. In the UK, people have the perception that healthcare is free which is the root of the problem.
As for Scotland wanting independence, that has been bubbling for many years too. Wouldnt put it down to the current government. Brexit and most recently the blame game for our death toll with coronavirus has probably tipped the polls in favour of independence but its been coming for years anyway. The older population is dying out and being replaced with younger voters who are largely in favour of independence.
And by the way Im no fan of Boris Johnson but I look at the other options available and it is grim.
Couldnt have said it better. And why people seem to forget China is to blame for all this, is beyond me.
There are no viable oppositions to Conservatives, that's pretty pathetic tbh, they will be in power for decades until the left and other parties realise that the majority of people in Britain do not want what they are peddling.
Si Thompson Advanced Member
United Kingdom
3,413 posts Joined: Mar, 2016
Posted - 2020/07/28 : 09:27:10
quote:Originally posted by The drunken scotsman:
quote:Originally posted by Jacco:
quote:Originally posted by LeVzi:
Straight out of the guardian lol what a load of rubbish
Strong arguments. I'm impressed!
Covid numbers is a daft argument as Ive pointed out on here before. Its an unprecedented pandemic and if theres any blame it should lie squarely at chinas door. Were mistakes made? Of course they were but thats always going to be the case. In my opinion, lockdown is not a viable option longer term and many deaths have been and will continue to be caused by lockdown measures, which dont get reported. We arent out of this yet but people with an agenda will use anything to have a go at government.
The NHS has been on the brink of collapse for decades. As someone who makes a living from selling to the NHS, I know a bit about it. It is down to mismanagement over a number of governments who continually underfund it. The problem is that people need to pay more tax to properly fund the NHS and there is no government who will come out and say that as people wont vote for higher taxes. In the UK, people have the perception that healthcare is free which is the root of the problem.
As for Scotland wanting independence, that has been bubbling for many years too. Wouldnt put it down to the current government. Brexit and most recently the blame game for our death toll with coronavirus has probably tipped the polls in favour of independence but its been coming for years anyway. The older population is dying out and being replaced with younger voters who are largely in favour of independence.
And by the way Im no fan of Boris Johnson but I look at the other options available and it is grim.
The NHS has had extra funding every year. The rise in population is what puts the strain on this service. Mass Immigration. The funding since 1997 has doubled (Tony Blair's open borders). This isn't going to be sustainable with more and more people in the country.
Have a look at this video. @ 3:45 & @ 7:35. Carl Benjamin takes a look at this.
Alert moderatorEdited by - Si Thompson on 2020/07/28 09:56:42
jenks Advanced Member
United Kingdom
3,687 posts Joined: Feb, 2003
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Posted - 2020/07/28 : 13:53:53
The only utility the Tories provide is getting Brexit over the line and demonstrating to Labour that Marxism isn't popular. Beyond that, as a "conservative" party they're not fit for purpose. They're a Capitalist party and nothing more. They would tarmac over the Lake District and import half of Hong Kong if they thought it would get them half a percentage point extra GDP growth per year.
And just so no one is under any illusions - the Tories are passionately pro-mass migration. The numbers have risen the longer they've been in power, and will continue to rise when their meek points system is introduced. They can control migration as much as they like but choose not to for economic reasons.
The real question, which I never seem to get a straight answer to, is why does Labour support a policy as transparently Capitalist as mass migration along with them? It's bizarre. They will abandon any and all principles they have before mass migration too. The only theory I have is that they hope to radically change the ethnic makeup of the UK to the point that "conservative" politics becomes untenable. I suspect they're in for a rude awakening on that score.
Si Thompson Advanced Member
United Kingdom
3,413 posts Joined: Mar, 2016
Posted - 2020/07/28 : 17:23:32
quote:Originally posted by jenks:
The only utility the Tories provide is getting Brexit over the line and demonstrating to Labour that Marxism isn't popular. Beyond that, as a "conservative" party they're not fit for purpose. They're a Capitalist party and nothing more. They would tarmac over the Lake District and import half of Hong Kong if they thought it would get them half a percentage point extra GDP growth per year.
And just so no one is under any illusions - the Tories are passionately pro-mass migration. The numbers have risen the longer they've been in power, and will continue to rise when their meek points system is introduced. They can control migration as much as they like but choose not to for economic reasons.
The real question, which I never seem to get a straight answer to, is why does Labour support a policy as transparently Capitalist as mass migration along with them? It's bizarre. They will abandon any and all principles they have before mass migration too. The only theory I have is that they hope to radically change the ethnic makeup of the UK to the point that "conservative" politics becomes untenable. I suspect they're in for a rude awakening on that score.
Some good points you've made here. As far as I can see, it's a left wing Tory government.
The drunken scotsman Advanced Member
United Kingdom
1,486 posts Joined: Dec, 2011
Posted - 2020/07/28 : 20:57:22
quote:Originally posted by Si Thompson:
quote:Originally posted by The drunken scotsman:
quote:Originally posted by Jacco:
quote:Originally posted by LeVzi:
Straight out of the guardian lol what a load of rubbish
Strong arguments. I'm impressed!
Covid numbers is a daft argument as Ive pointed out on here before. Its an unprecedented pandemic and if theres any blame it should lie squarely at chinas door. Were mistakes made? Of course they were but thats always going to be the case. In my opinion, lockdown is not a viable option longer term and many deaths have been and will continue to be caused by lockdown measures, which dont get reported. We arent out of this yet but people with an agenda will use anything to have a go at government.
The NHS has been on the brink of collapse for decades. As someone who makes a living from selling to the NHS, I know a bit about it. It is down to mismanagement over a number of governments who continually underfund it. The problem is that people need to pay more tax to properly fund the NHS and there is no government who will come out and say that as people wont vote for higher taxes. In the UK, people have the perception that healthcare is free which is the root of the problem.
As for Scotland wanting independence, that has been bubbling for many years too. Wouldnt put it down to the current government. Brexit and most recently the blame game for our death toll with coronavirus has probably tipped the polls in favour of independence but its been coming for years anyway. The older population is dying out and being replaced with younger voters who are largely in favour of independence.
And by the way Im no fan of Boris Johnson but I look at the other options available and it is grim.
The NHS has had extra funding every year. The rise in population is what puts the strain on this service. Mass Immigration. The funding since 1997 has doubled (Tony Blair's open borders). This isn't going to be sustainable with more and more people in the country.
Have a look at this video. @ 3:45 & @ 7:35. Carl Benjamin takes a look at this.
Interesting vid with some valid points. It isnt as clear cut as this would make out though. Health tourism is clearly a problem and International Health Service is about right. There are a whole load of other issues though.
The majority of spend in the NHS is on staff and there a load of new professions in recent years. It used to be that Doctors could order whatever they wanted but that all changed around 15 years ago with the introduction of Procurement to the NHS. Whole departments of useless ****s who know **** all about healthcare and everything about trying to cut corners by buying cheap shite. They are set targets to save money on products but actually what they do is cost the service even more money by ordering products which lead to poorer patient outcomes and ultimately add to the overall cost of the health service in other ways.
Products and technology have developed a hell of a lot in the last few years. This costs more money than older equipment, MRI being a prime example of something that has transformed imaging and diagnosis but comes at a cost.
Yes there might be additional funding and some of that can be accredited to health tourism, but more funding from taxpayers is needed regardless to keep up with the advances in healthcare and a changing world with ageing population. Its not as simple as saying close the borders and it will be ok.
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