The drunken scotsman Advanced Member
United Kingdom
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Posted - 2014/09/16 : 12:14:11
quote:Originally posted by Triquatra:
I think what Dean means is that if the rest of the country isn't being offered something, then Scotland shouldn't be either?
If I have a chocolate bar I give it out equally to my kids and wife and for myself - I don't just give it all to one child because they threaten me. ;)
They're already talking about "English Parliament" now...not long till Cornwall get's one too! :P
Which I agree with to an extent. It's all to do with history though, Scotland used to be a country in it own right until it formed part of the union and (some would argue) effectively handed power over to the English. That's where the emotion largely comes from that's one of the main driving forces behind the yes campaign.
djDMS Advanced Member
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Posted - 2014/09/16 : 13:00:48
quote:Originally posted by The drunken scotsman:
quote:Originally posted by djDMS:
They shouldn't be offering Scotland shit!
I have no say in what happens there. At this rate, independent or not they'll still end up with too much 'power'
Don't get me wrong as I'm an avid no supporter, but it's attitudes like this that brought the entire vote about in the first place.
Yeah, that was a bit more abrupt than i intended cos i was rushed!
What Rowan said is pretty much what i meant.
As the vote gets nearer, the NO side of things have just started throwing all kinds of offers to the people to try and sway them without any thought for what the rest of the UK wants.
If the YES vote wins, it should be for the right reasons - and not just a protest vote against the government.
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The drunken scotsman Advanced Member
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Posted - 2014/09/16 : 13:56:59
quote:Originally posted by djDMS:
quote:Originally posted by The drunken scotsman:
quote:Originally posted by djDMS:
They shouldn't be offering Scotland shit!
I have no say in what happens there. At this rate, independent or not they'll still end up with too much 'power'
Don't get me wrong as I'm an avid no supporter, but it's attitudes like this that brought the entire vote about in the first place.
Yeah, that was a bit more abrupt than i intended cos i was rushed!
What Rowan said is pretty much what i meant.
As the vote gets nearer, the NO side of things have just started throwing all kinds of offers to the people to try and sway them without any thought for what the rest of the UK wants.
If the YES vote wins, it should be for the right reasons - and not just a protest vote against the government.
Agreed, it is a major panic from the no side and they seem to be saying anything with little thought of consequences in the rest of the uk after the referendum. They clearly didn't think it would be this close. To be fair, neither did I.
The problem is that for a lot of yes voters it's not the right reasons. You wouldn't believe some of the 'logic' I've heard up here!
DJ D-Luc-D Senior Member
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Posted - 2014/09/16 : 16:00:20
quote:Originally posted by The drunken scotsman:
quote:Originally posted by djDMS:
quote:Originally posted by The drunken scotsman:
quote:Originally posted by djDMS:
They shouldn't be offering Scotland shit!
I have no say in what happens there. At this rate, independent or not they'll still end up with too much 'power'
Don't get me wrong as I'm an avid no supporter, but it's attitudes like this that brought the entire vote about in the first place.
Yeah, that was a bit more abrupt than i intended cos i was rushed!
What Rowan said is pretty much what i meant.
As the vote gets nearer, the NO side of things have just started throwing all kinds of offers to the people to try and sway them without any thought for what the rest of the UK wants.
If the YES vote wins, it should be for the right reasons - and not just a protest vote against the government.
Agreed, it is a major panic from the no side and they seem to be saying anything with little thought of consequences in the rest of the uk after the referendum. They clearly didn't think it would be this close. To be fair, neither did I.
The problem is that for a lot of yes voters it's not the right reasons. You wouldn't believe some of the 'logic' I've heard up here!
My dad's been working in Scotland and he told me that his taxi driver was voting yes. When he asked him why, he said "Well I just fancy a change really".
Alert moderatorEdited by - DJ D-Luc-D on 2014/09/16 16:01:15
latininxtc Advanced Member
United States
7,307 posts Joined: Feb, 2006
Posted - 2014/09/16 : 16:00:31
quote:Originally posted by rafferty:
Is a big decision for Scotland.
America told us to get lost over 200 years ago and even blew Britain away in a war which they celebrate.
Scotland must be thinking if the U.S.A did fine after independence, why can't they.
If any Scots are thinking that, they're fucking stupid.
US independence happened almost 300 years ago when Great Britain was ruled by a monarchy, and King George III, a known tyrant, was in control during the Revolutionary War. They had very good reasons to seek independence from a government that was about 5000 miles away. Thousands died for US freedom, no one is dying for Scottish independence unless they get hit by a car or bus on their way to the polls.
Size of the country has little to do with this, especially since seeking independence won't lead you to war. You're not Crimea. Or Isreal or Palestine. And Qatar and Singapore are some of the most wealthy countries in the world, and maybe even some of the most powerful, and they're miniscule compared to a country like Israel in size and population. Qatar has a population of less than 3 million, and Singapore has less than 6 million.
The drunken scotsman Advanced Member
United Kingdom
1,486 posts Joined: Dec, 2011
Posted - 2014/09/16 : 16:18:14
quote:Originally posted by DJ D-Luc-D:
quote:Originally posted by The drunken scotsman:
quote:Originally posted by djDMS:
quote:Originally posted by The drunken scotsman:
quote:Originally posted by djDMS:
They shouldn't be offering Scotland shit!
I have no say in what happens there. At this rate, independent or not they'll still end up with too much 'power'
Don't get me wrong as I'm an avid no supporter, but it's attitudes like this that brought the entire vote about in the first place.
Yeah, that was a bit more abrupt than i intended cos i was rushed!
What Rowan said is pretty much what i meant.
As the vote gets nearer, the NO side of things have just started throwing all kinds of offers to the people to try and sway them without any thought for what the rest of the UK wants.
If the YES vote wins, it should be for the right reasons - and not just a protest vote against the government.
Agreed, it is a major panic from the no side and they seem to be saying anything with little thought of consequences in the rest of the uk after the referendum. They clearly didn't think it would be this close. To be fair, neither did I.
The problem is that for a lot of yes voters it's not the right reasons. You wouldn't believe some of the 'logic' I've heard up here!
My dad's been working in Scotland and he told me that his taxi driver was voting yes. When he asked him why, he said "Well I just fancy a change really".
I shouldn't laugh as this is sadly quite typical, but that's a belter!
Another ridiculous one I heard was - 'if we make a mess of it, at least it's our mess!'
jenks Advanced Member
United Kingdom
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Posted - 2014/09/16 : 21:18:13
England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland should all have their own parliament with the same powers.
quote:Originally posted by rafferty:
Scotland must be thinking if the U.S.A did fine after independence, why can't they.
Probably because the USA has the territory and resources of a continent. Scotland by contrast has a population of about 5 million. Yes they have oil and gas, but that oil will run out in about 40 years, and is about a third of the size of the fields waiting to be tapped under the Falklands' waters.
The Dopeman Advanced Member
United Kingdom
1,393 posts Joined: Aug, 2005
Posted - 2014/09/17 : 09:17:41
independance seems to be making a few people fall out last night my downstair neighbour was in a fight (i think he was thrown through his window idk) i heard a lot of shoughting then a smash of glass i get up to go see wtf is going on and the guy is lying in his garden with blood pouring out of his head
don't know why the **** people take something like this to such extremes
BTW he had a sticker in his window saying he was voting no and i think the majority of people in my area at least are voting yes been seeing quite a few saltires being flow outside peoples houses
i never bothered registering to vote...if it all goes pear shaped i'm moving to england
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The drunken scotsman Advanced Member
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Posted - 2014/09/17 : 09:25:07
quote:Originally posted by The Dopeman:
independance seems to be making a few people fall out last night my downstair neighbour was in a fight (i think he was thrown through his window idk) i heard a lot of shoughting then a smash of glass i get up to go see wtf is going on and the guy is lying in his garden with blood pouring out of his head
don't know why the **** people take something like this to such extremes
BTW he had a sticker in his window saying he was voting no and i think the majority of people in my area at least are voting yes been seeing quite a few saltires being flow outside peoples houses
i never bothered registering to vote...if it all goes pear shaped i'm moving to england
God that's awful! Sadly it's not the first story I've heard like that. If we get a yes then we'll be going independent in the midst of a civil war. If it's a no then there will be more carnage. People are really passionate about it and it's boiling over. The yes mob have been disgraceful to be honest.
The Dopeman Advanced Member
United Kingdom
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Posted - 2014/09/17 : 09:36:16
quote:Originally posted by The drunken scotsman:
People are really passionate about it and it's boiling over. The yes mob have been disgraceful to be honest.
tbh i think both are as bad as each other it's like a kid throwing his toy out the pram coz he doesn't get what he wants at times both sides think they're right and the other is wrong some of the stuff i've been looking at on yt is stupid as fcuk
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The drunken scotsman Advanced Member
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Posted - 2014/09/17 : 09:56:42
quote:Originally posted by The Dopeman:
quote:Originally posted by The drunken scotsman:
People are really passionate about it and it's boiling over. The yes mob have been disgraceful to be honest.
tbh i think both are as bad as each other it's like a kid throwing his toy out the pram coz he doesn't get what he wants at times both sides think they're right and the other is wrong some of the stuff i've been looking at on yt is stupid as fcuk
You're right. Although in my experience on social media and on the streets, the yes campaign have been far more vocal. I use another (Scottish) forum which is about 70% in favour of yes. Trying to voice my opinion is difficult as I get about 4 or 5 yes voters attacking me like a pack of wolves, because they believe so strongly in their views. It's a mess. The debate has awoken demons lying dormant in some people and it's all becoming very concerning.
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