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smythy-endemic
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 Posted - 2012/02/15 : 13:00:03
Well i have got to say the Breeze set was sick IMO! The ravers were buzzing to it!
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rafferty
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Posted - 2012/02/16 : 06:54:07
That was a good interview, seems like Breeze is just wanting to bring more variety to the scene. Not change it. I have liked a lot of his work over the years and seems to still release a some quality tunes with Darren Styles.
Anyone ever heard Breezes old Happy Hard cd WORLD OF BREEZE?
Listened to it the other day, think it was released in 1999. Is probably one of the best mixed oldskool CDs I've ever heard. Mixing is flawless.
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Archefluxx
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Posted - 2012/02/16 : 13:22:04
I didnt go to the event, but the situation is clear. Im going to make my point from my perspective.
I read on forums and get the general vibe that Freeform is striving to make itself more independent and separate itself from hardcore. I'd like to see that happen someday - I think it has the potential and capacity. Some labels are moving toward that direction, loosening hardcores influence on freeform and aligning with other Psy and hard Trance genre's - like FINRG.
However, what Im seeing - and its not a complaint - a mere observation - is that while some labels want Freeform to stand on its own 2 feet, others are merging more with hardcore. ILHB I thought was a beacon for freeform, run by the people involved with the NEC, a label run by someone who preached Freeform as a way of life. Why, when Freeform needs to stand on its own two feet, is a big Hardcore name known for paying something very different to Freeform or even melodic hardcore headlining? And why is Freeform once again being pushed into the second room or made 2nd best to Hardcore? I think that Freeform has some of the most pioneering producers & groups of this generation in Douglas, Endemic, AB so on, but I dont understand why they choose to weaken the stance of Freeform as a stand-alone genre with Stamina Records (billed as a diverse label over Freeform and Hardcore), events run by Freeformists but headlined by commercial hardcore acts, and Freeform CD's on albums like HU5 diluted with UKH tracks...
I'm just having an observation at this point because I find it a little frustrating to read stuff like this:
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Originally posted by smythy-endemic:
When we were putting the line up together for this event we knew some people would not want to hear it so for that reason the is a Nu Energy Classics set playing in the 2nd room!
Freeform lovers and non-Breezers room 2 - people who want to try something new main room! Simples!
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Originally posted by Douglas-HBC:
Plus, people going for the more freeform acts could be opened up to a new style of music they love, and vice versa
Let me say this. Freeform is still a small genre. Its never been big. NEC closed because of the genre's inability to generate money needed to uphold the business. Kev Energy admitted that over countless podcasts. Now, Freeform isnt a struggling genre, it has the artists, producers and innovation to advance and expand. Its a genre in its infancy, so when the beacon of light being the HBC, a group of Kev's prodigal sons are shoving Freeform into Room 2 and telling people going for freeform to experience and type of music completely different headline, I personally think is a bitter shame.
We'll never see Freeform headline at a big Hardcore event, and at the moment the whole genre seems to be one step forward, 2 steps back. We have have a group of amazingly talented producers given the perfect guidelines to follow, to help Freeform reach its potential, or somewhere near, and they pan to start up a free rave. Its the perfect scenario! Until you decide to add Breeze to the top row of artists promoted on the posters.
Dont get me wrong, this isnt about Breeze or his music. It could be Gammer, Hixxy, DS, Ramos, anyone, what my point is here is different to what Hardcore is about now. Its about Freeform. The general question is; 'Why when Freeform can and should be standing on its own two feet does it rely on Hardcore, and must Freeform fans be introduced to something they've chosen not to like in favour of Freeform?'
To clarify the last part of that question: Freeform has been closely linked to Hardcore over the years. People who like Hardcore may have heard of Freeform, some better than others... People in Freeform probably heard Freeform because of Hardcore. Hardcore led to Freeform, it was by accident on the Bonkers albums that I was drawn to Freeform. Now, people choose to favour Freeform because Hardcore doesnt cut it for them. Maybe they prefer melodic stuff, maybe they dont like Dubstep influences, maybe they prefer the darker beats, or double basslines... whatever. So it kind of defies logic here to then try to introduce the crowd who've built up listening to NEC or HBC over the years to follow you lot to an event and then be pointed the direction back to Hardcore... Where's the sense in that? Freeform strives to be different, listen to "Freeform Will Never Die", it spells out how to be different and how to be good at it... How to be underground and escape the routine or everyday stuff we have to put up with. Freeform in that sense is the release we need from Freeform. Freeform as a genre can develop and it has a good following right now to start with and to move on with. Freeform isnt going anywhere if you keep introducing them back to Hardcore.
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rafferty
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Posted - 2012/02/17 : 06:09:30
I think Freeform has been associated with Hardcore because it's the same speed of Hardcore and can be mixed with Hardcore.
Probably the biggest problem with it is it is not as main room friendly as other Hard music genres. One thing that would help the Freeform scene is for it's producers to add a harder beat. Like a Hardstlye kick.
Beats in freeform always sounds too thin when played on a dancefloor, which cause it to sound way too fast and repeditive. Therefore people lose interest.
Ravers always love a hard pronounced beat in a track.
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Rikki Arkitech
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Posted - 2012/02/17 : 10:00:48
I hear your concerns Archfluxx but here is my 2 cents.
Freeform is a type of rave music. It grew out of a desire to make rave more diverse and less regimented.
A rave with just freeform would be very regimented and not very diverse.
That is all! 
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Archefluxx
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Posted - 2012/02/17 : 13:38:19
Then put Hardcore and Breeze in Room 2
A Freeform event, with options.
Not a Hardcore event with Freeform as an option.... because it was meant to be Freeform in the first place.
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djDMS
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Posted - 2012/02/17 : 14:02:55
That would make more sense. I've always been much more into UK Hardcore than Freeform but the last thing i expected (or wanted) from ILHB was a peak time Room 1 Hardcore set, and i dare say the majority of others would have agreed with me. Nothing wrong with Hardcore at a Freeform event - as Arkitech said, they have a lot in common and variety can't be a bad thing. But don't let one set be as important as the whole package.
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smythy-endemic
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Posted - 2012/02/17 : 16:22:35
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Originally posted by Archefluxx:
Then put Hardcore and Breeze in Room 2
A Freeform event, with options.
Not a Hardcore event with Freeform as an option.... because it was meant to be Freeform in the first place.
Some interesting points here and to be honest i agree with a lot of it..... However....
We didnt book Breeze because we wanted a cheesy UK hardcore set. We booked him to showcase his new dirty sound. Breeze is one of very few producers breaking the mould and doing something different. Thank god for people like him as if they didnt exist **** knows what we would be listening to! Freeform would not even exist if it want for these forward thinking people. People like this at least deserve a shot
Dude if you actually went to the event you would have seen that there was a significant amount of Freeform all night in the main room.
We are finally in a position where we can play Freeform relentlessly nearly all night and everyone loves it. We have had so much great feedback about the night from loads of cool people.
Lets go back a few years to the days when there was only one Freeform set at a Hardcore rave on at a lame hour then shal we? Freeform is making progress in a big big way because people are more open minded with music these days.
Im sick of all of this Genre-ism (not a real word ;)
Can we not live in a world where we can go to an 'underground' night and listen to all sorts of good music with cool people without picking it apart like the drained lifeless remains of a christmas turkey?
Archefluxx, it is nice to see people with a passion for Freeform but why dont you attend the second event and see that it isnt about trying to split genres up, its about being an open minded raver who is just into good music. If there is a set that is not to your taste just check out the other room. I dont like Jeremy Kyle but i dont sit there with matchsticks holding my eyes open, forcing myself to watch it........ (i actually do like Jezza i just used this as an example)
Our aim at HBC is to try and move Freeform forward but we need to do this in a way that we are not alienating people. We want the event to be diverse and we appreciate that there are people who are not keen on Hardcore however i personally hosted that set and there were loads of people really loving it. We unfortunately do not live in a worl where we can please everyone, this is why we puposely planted a Freeform Classics set in room 2.
We are doing the best we can for the music we love dude and so far so good! =)
Why not come and experience the night yourself? =)
Respect
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Archefluxx
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Posted - 2012/02/18 : 00:17:58
I intend to go to a ILHB, but at the moment Im at uni on Portsmouth Island, and being a student, travel is difficult. I would have looked into the last one more, but in all honesty Breeze's name at the top of the poster was a big turn off. Its the same with the Munted events I'd have gone to one if I could have gotten back from Southend on Xmas Eve.
I see what your saying, but I feel my point still stands. If we want to make people happy, then we should make Hardcore an option. If Breeze is pioneering a different genre, stick him in Room 2 ;)
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Posted - 2012/02/18 : 09:30:27
I'm all for Freeform finding it's own way, and breaking away from Hardcore into it's own genre but honestly it's not there yet. I can see what the HBC crew were doing with having Breeze there. Sure, Breeze plays at heaps of other events that the hardcore crowd can go to, but I'm sure the vast majority of them aren't free. So a bunch of UK Hardcore fans go to see Breeze, and have an awesome night rocking out not just to him, but to all the Freeform as well. Having Breeze headline has now converted some new people into Freeform :).
I know if I went, I would have just gone to room 2 because Breeze isn't my thing, but I don't see him playing, even headlining as such a bad thing. If Freeform was standing on it's own 2 feet, and didn't need to convert people from Hardcore, then maybe they wouldn't need to have Breeze headline and could have a 100% Freeform event, but the scene just isn't there yet. As many of you know, I think Freeform should be attracting more people from the Trance or Psy scenes, but as it stands, most of the people listening to Freeform come from Hardcore roots, and until that changes, having a headliner like Breeze isn't that bad a thing.
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Vladel
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Posted - 2012/02/18 : 13:16:52
To be honest that shit breeze plays shouldn't even be allowed to be called Hardcore
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