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eLASTIC
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 Posted - 2005/04/17 : 08:04:17
Hey, was just wandering and perhaps after ideas on how everyone makes Hardcore.
I lately have been making heaps of melodies without intro for fun n practise, hency my lead melodies are getting much better, but when i do this and decide to put and intro and breakdown/bridge prior to it, the flow i guess turns out okay but ess dynamic.
What i found was when i started from the very beggining, the progression and transition are much more dynamic.
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Underloop
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Posted - 2005/04/19 : 14:58:39
The way I work varies depending on the original "nugget" I come up with. It may be a vocal idea, a chord progression or a riff. Typically I go along these lines
1) Write song
Lyrics/melody, chord progression, riff. May involve spending hours playing with your synth, or sitting down with a guitar/piano and singing.
2) Get your sounds together
Piece together all your bits, bassline, FX/noises, counter melodies etc and give them all sounds you are happy with. this is also the stage where you record your vox etc. I basically layer everything up above each other over an 8 or 16 bar range and mute/unmute channels. This will give you an idea of what sounds good together ready for the next stage. Also start thinking about mixing at this stage in teh sense that you should pick your sounds carefully. Choose sounds that compliment each other, and will need minimal EQing etc to get to sit well together.
3) Arrangement
You should already have an idea for what works well together from the previous stage, so start laying out your phrases/riffs and sounds into some sort of linear order, and you start to see the song come together. Remember to give the DJ something to work with ie make it mixable.
4) Mixing
You may find that you work better mixing as you go, but I always drag the faders down and turn off all effects and start from scratch after I'm happy witht eh arrangement. I always start with teh vocals working on the principle that I want my best sounding reverb on them, and this is most cpu intensive so I make sure this is sorted first, then drag the vox fader down and start on the drums, then the bass, tehn vox/main riffs and so on until all the faders are up, all effects are applied and EQ (if needed!!) is done. Occasionally I pan, but not so much in my dance stuff, unless its intended for an album style thing.
5) Mastering
This is the easiest stage of all. Pick up a copy of sound on Sound, look in teh back and look for an advert for a mastering house. Stick CD in a jiffy and send off 
This isn't just for Hardcore though, i generally apply this principle to anything I make, but as I say it does vary, depending on where the initial "nugget" takes me.
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eLASTIC
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Posted - 2005/04/19 : 15:33:58
cool, it does seem grouping collected sounds together before arrangement is a more popular way to tackle it, but i guess i kinda lack foresight in the sense as to what sounds i should stick with. i tend to find it easier to trial n error sounds to a playing arrangement, gives me more of a feel to the flooow lol.
but Hey, gotta give it a shot, may be discover something that could take my mix to the next level aye ; ).
one thing i cant seem to stop doing is applying fx as i go lol.
5) Mastering
This is the easiest stage of all. Pick up a copy of sound on Sound, look in teh back and look for an advert for a mastering house. Stick CD in a jiffy and send off
This is a really tempting option, but how does it fair in cost wise ; )
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Garry T
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Posted - 2005/04/19 : 15:41:31
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Originally posted by scr8tch:
Hey, was just wandering and perhaps after ideas on how everyone makes Hardcore.
I lately have been making heaps of melodies without intro for fun n practise, hency my lead melodies are getting much better, but when i do this and decide to put and intro and breakdown/bridge prior to it, the flow i guess turns out okay but ess dynamic.
What i found was when i started from the very beggining, the progression and transition are much more dynamic.
........Juss Passn By ; )........
Try making short stabbs, riffs etc from your Main Melodies and lay them out around the body of the track. Progress the drum track accordingly and you should still get a dynamic progression.
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Underloop
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Posted - 2005/04/19 : 16:58:49
quote:
Originally posted by scr8tch:
5) Mastering
This is the easiest stage of all. Pick up a copy of sound on Sound, look in teh back and look for an advert for a mastering house. Stick CD in a jiffy and send off
This is a really tempting option, but how does it fair in cost wise ; )
If you do a good job of mixing then you shouldn't need mastering until it is due for release. If its on vinyl then you really do need someone with experience as vinyl is a difficult medium to work on, and bad mastering can be disasterous!! If its CD then you can do it yourself if you know what yuour doing, but if its being released its worth getting a pro to do it
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eLASTIC
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Posted - 2005/04/20 : 01:47:35
Yeah true aye, only prob i get is i really dunno how my work turns out after my final mix down, im workin off some logitech desktop speakers and freq range is 60-20 and everything sounds pretty tacky lol.
geez really cant wait to get a decent soundcard n monitorz ; )
but defo if the day that comes for a release, pro mastering i will need lol.
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eddiewould
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Posted - 2005/04/29 : 01:42:12
I have a weird habit of doing the following:
Coming up with my main riff/melody which is essentially in its fullest form then reverse engineering :) the riff to make simpler versions of it which I can use to build up to it (for example in the intro)
I use copy/paste a lot more than I should.
As far as coming up with the riff goes, sometimes I just fill 8/16 bars with kick beats, choose a chord progression, and then loop it, playing with the synths over the top. I'll come up with something and then its SUPER IMPORTANT I get it down/recorded ASAP otherwise it will be gone forever.
Also its irratating when you're working on a tune and you come up with a really good riff/idea and you want to try and make it fit, but its a good skill knowing when to say 'when' and to save it for another tune instead!
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eLASTIC
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Posted - 2005/05/02 : 06:43:46
cool mate, i do that quite often too, somehow i just dont finish em off, bad habit lol.
btw, good stuff on Brainstorming ; )
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Splix
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Posted - 2005/05/02 : 08:08:08
One of the things i do so alot is, make a main melody and base the rest of the track around it. This takes many and many attemps but it works up in the end if you are enjoying youself then ur song will be born, nobody will contunie making a track if they anit havnt fun with it (naturaly)
Anyhow, i make new files like how i use fruity, just for example i want to make a sub but im not sure how to do it. To be safe i will make another flp. and learn how to make the best sounding one which suits what i want to put it in.
Hard to relly explain, but the more you practice the better you will get.
All in all the more u put into it the better you will get, try just pracing everything u want to put in ur new track. dont rush, there is no need is there?
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Chwhynny
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Posted - 2005/05/02 : 10:05:45
I write all the melodies first, main riffs, pianos, etc. Then I write a bassline. After that the strings, and usually at the end I do the percussion. When I've got all elements for the track I start working on the structure. If I find I need more (or less) melodies I just write some extra riffs or leave a few out.
The thing with me is, that I usually already have all melodies inside my head when I start writing. Most of the time I get them in my dreams, and I play them in as soon as I wake up. Just sitting down trying to write a track doesn't work for me.
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eLASTIC
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Posted - 2005/05/03 : 07:30:23
a good many opinions there 
i do come up with some good ideas in my head but when i go to put it down, the result somewhat differs dramatically. I guess it comes down to experience and skill of being able to produce the image u hav for a piece. However i never do dream of melodies like Chwynny as much as i wish i did, but i think even if i did, id forget em by the time i wake up anyway lol
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